The more intense/longer orgasms do the same thing, instead of an experiencing self there is only the experience. And I wonder if true flow states don't get part of the way there.
Ha! Interesting -- I think one problem with flow states / absorptions of various kinds is being caught up in the content of experience. If you are looking for any specific experiential content, that's not it. Notice also the structure of the sneeze scenario -- it's about the resting / letting go that follows the startle. Or alternatively, it's watching selfing come back online after being turned off for a moment that can aid in realizing it's constructedness (emptiness). I think that's where the action is for Theravadan style cessations that come at the end of progress of insight as well (which I have not experienced). A famous teacher told me once that if I took 5MEO-DMT that there could be insight from paying attention to how the world comes back online.
Ah interesting. The exclamation that it's NOT the flow state. Maybe flow states are a cul-de-sac in this quest. An approximate analogue that shimmers but it's not the thing but a distraction from it.
That said.
"being caught up in the content of experience. If you are looking for any specific experiential content, that's not it"
...what if you're NOT looking for a specific content, or even you ARE but at some point you transcend it? No, not you transcend it, it gets transcended somehow. Idk if I'm making sense, but there's a shift from doing something specific to just-doing that becomes a mode of being in the world; a supreme focus that flips to something very diffuse. Hard to explain because I've only had that few times.
Either way the (stronger/longer) orgasm analogy still stands I think ;)
The more intense/longer orgasms do the same thing, instead of an experiencing self there is only the experience. And I wonder if true flow states don't get part of the way there.
(I'm EXTREMELY non Buddhist about this, sorry)
Ha! Interesting -- I think one problem with flow states / absorptions of various kinds is being caught up in the content of experience. If you are looking for any specific experiential content, that's not it. Notice also the structure of the sneeze scenario -- it's about the resting / letting go that follows the startle. Or alternatively, it's watching selfing come back online after being turned off for a moment that can aid in realizing it's constructedness (emptiness). I think that's where the action is for Theravadan style cessations that come at the end of progress of insight as well (which I have not experienced). A famous teacher told me once that if I took 5MEO-DMT that there could be insight from paying attention to how the world comes back online.
I also once heard my teacher exclaim "IT'S NOT A FLOW STATE" :-)
Ah interesting. The exclamation that it's NOT the flow state. Maybe flow states are a cul-de-sac in this quest. An approximate analogue that shimmers but it's not the thing but a distraction from it.
That said.
"being caught up in the content of experience. If you are looking for any specific experiential content, that's not it"
...what if you're NOT looking for a specific content, or even you ARE but at some point you transcend it? No, not you transcend it, it gets transcended somehow. Idk if I'm making sense, but there's a shift from doing something specific to just-doing that becomes a mode of being in the world; a supreme focus that flips to something very diffuse. Hard to explain because I've only had that few times.
Either way the (stronger/longer) orgasm analogy still stands I think ;)